tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post8357756421985580457..comments2023-10-24T02:50:58.489-07:00Comments on Rage of Bahamut Guide: New Skill ProcLucardahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01792067241643799536noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-92220660435427875352012-12-20T11:04:43.472-08:002012-12-20T11:04:43.472-08:00Eh, sorry if this sounds a bit noob in comparison ...Eh, sorry if this sounds a bit noob in comparison to the other comments. I'm pretty new to the game, and was going off your suggestions in your posts for best R/HR decks (http://rageofbahamutguide.blogspot.com/2012/07/best-demon-decks.html)<br /><br />Before reading this, I was going to go for (as you suggested):<br /><br />Rare card Demon Attack Deck:<br /><br />Leader: Succubus - 11.7k attack - Med Boost to Demons Attack<br />Second: Succubus - 11.7k attack - Med Boost to Demons Attack<br />Third: Succubus - 11.7k attack - Med Boost to Demons Attack<br />Fourth: Elder Dragon - 12.6k attack - Med Hit to Foes Gods Defense<br />Fifth: Elder Dragon - 12.6k attack - Med Hit to Foes Gods Defense<br /><br />Leader: Jack-o-Lantern - 12.5k Defense - Med Boost to Defense (all)<br />Second: Jack-o-Lantern - 12.5k Defense - Med Boost to Defense (all)<br />Third: Jack-o-Lantern - 12.5k Defense - Med Boost to Defense (all)<br />Fourth: Manticore - 12.7k Defense - Med Hit to Foes Demons Attack<br />Fifth: Manticore - 12.7k Defensse - Med Hit to Foes Demons Attack<br /><br />I'm assuming there are better options for a noob like me considering these changes, or are these attack/def decks still optimal?MrChasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09685520510601009787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-79024975635123466202012-12-20T01:08:10.857-08:002012-12-20T01:08:10.857-08:00Hi Lucarda or anyone else for the matter.
My curr...Hi Lucarda or anyone else for the matter.<br /><br />My current deck is a 6-10 Nightmare sk10, 2x Sutekh sk8 and 2x 6-10 DPNewts at sk10. Even before this skill change update I already had intentions of selling off my Nightmare and newts to fund new cards, however with the latest news and the bazzar madness I'm unsure.<br /><br />If lets say I manage to sell may cards leaving me with 2 sutekh and 1700hp, what upgrade path should I take or should I just keep my current deck?justforthistimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10520756909573232208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-31732650101425149112012-12-19T16:43:22.054-08:002012-12-19T16:43:22.054-08:00I hate probability. When you calculate something l...I hate probability. When you calculate something like "at least 1 card out of 4" it's simple (4 because the 5th is always 100%). But at least 2 and on, I'm too lazy to do permutations and nobody would blame you for not wanting to do them either. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17733346117386356834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-8891045363615777382012-12-18T19:00:42.551-08:002012-12-18T19:00:42.551-08:00I always had a reason to buy SR cards... just not ...I always had a reason to buy SR cards... just not the HP :)carnagemagshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04433116269632291948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-29202075246927079642012-12-18T11:51:04.062-08:002012-12-18T11:51:04.062-08:00Awesome, I have been looking all over the net tryi...Awesome, I have been looking all over the net trying to find out what the deal was with that. I understand that none of us are going to know 100% how it works until the 26th but that sheds some light on it for sure, thanks!YouAreMyBoyBluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15826246754215780830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-4340057871844255542012-12-18T11:36:18.073-08:002012-12-18T11:36:18.073-08:00I'll try to be clear.
Ifrits skill is not bi...I'll try to be clear. <br /><br />Ifrits skill is not big boost to gods attack. Ifrits skill is Flame Storm. Trow Elfs skill is Mana Sphere.<br /><br />Flame Storm reduces chance of another Flame Storm, not the chances of a Mana Sphere. <br /><br />So, Pan, Ifrit, Trow will have no effect on each other. The easy way to think about it is only identical cards are effected, not identical buffs. Lucardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792067241643799536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-47133633173877981342012-12-18T10:45:58.917-08:002012-12-18T10:45:58.917-08:00I guess I am still confused about your reply Lucar...I guess I am still confused about your reply Lucarda, so you are saying "No" that it WONT lessen the chance of the 2nd one going off? <br /><br />I am currently running 3 Infrits, bought a Pan to replace one but I need to know if I should put a Trow Elf in the #1 slot.YouAreMyBoyBluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15826246754215780830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-73392234590338524562012-12-18T10:17:39.438-08:002012-12-18T10:17:39.438-08:00Haha. Thanks. I figure since it is truly a waterfa...Haha. Thanks. I figure since it is truly a waterfall system, the 50% chance probably drops to 40%, and the skill up increases it again back up to 50.<br /><br />Overall these changes are buffing decks and giving players (like man realm players) a reason to buy SR cards.Lucardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792067241643799536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-12153261846705113592012-12-18T10:15:51.953-08:002012-12-18T10:15:51.953-08:00Foolishness. Buy them! People will realize how sil...Foolishness. Buy them! People will realize how silly they are buy themLucardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792067241643799536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-12330035908505349762012-12-18T10:15:09.661-08:002012-12-18T10:15:09.661-08:00No. It only applies to cards with identical skills...No. It only applies to cards with identical skills. You'll notice each skill has a name to it, the names can't be identical, the proc can. Lucardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792067241643799536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-61335575634701572852012-12-18T10:14:12.766-08:002012-12-18T10:14:12.766-08:00Look at comparable prices. They always fluctuate. ...Look at comparable prices. They always fluctuate. Achilles skill 10 should be pretty pricy though. Lucardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792067241643799536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-69989479602230428482012-12-18T10:13:29.932-08:002012-12-18T10:13:29.932-08:00@Carnagemags. By power of the proc I mean Claymore...@Carnagemags. By power of the proc I mean Claymore maid for example has a 13% boost at lvl 1, 23% boost at level 10. So now instead of solely increasing the procs potency, it increases the % chance of it going off.<br /><br />Hekate, NM, Dragonewt, Trow Trow or Neko Neko.Lucardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792067241643799536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-55738678575905631352012-12-18T06:25:09.918-08:002012-12-18T06:25:09.918-08:00I will post back here Lucarda (or wherever the new...I will post back here Lucarda (or wherever the newest discussion is) after I run numbers. I had over 1,000 data on procs from before and found the 50% 2nd proc and 25% proc trends. I'm with you, I feel that as long as the skill of your card is at a 10, there probably won't be any change to what you are seeing... However, don't be surprised if the same skill cards aren't drastically reduced. Mobage focuses on stopping "cheater" even though they are terrible at it and they see all the top players with decks that are all of the same card... They're dumb I know. It would be like trying to limit bluestacks by creating a Bazaar... Theses guys are clueless. I'll report back after another 1000 data points!!!ryandroederhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11742648309186712737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-4468400620030155342012-12-18T05:28:17.933-08:002012-12-18T05:28:17.933-08:00Well it looks like there is a fire sale on Apsaras...Well it looks like there is a fire sale on Apsaras at the moment, I was building them to make HP. 5 carded I was selling them for 270 HP, now you can get the same card for 140HP (which is NUTS because they cost 30HP EACH a few days ago).<br /><br />I didnt lose out too bad because I am GOD realm and only have 2 of them...sounds like that is how many I should have with the new skill change, just stinks because I could use the HP!!YouAreMyBoyBluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15826246754215780830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-48460370524579154022012-12-18T05:15:13.203-08:002012-12-18T05:15:13.203-08:00Hi again, just wanted to ask if 2 different cards ...Hi again, just wanted to ask if 2 different cards have the same skill eg Trow elf and ifrit (big boost to gods attack)<br />does this mean the 2nd card has less chance to proc or does the new rule only apply if the cards are identical ?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15428041221907143712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-29354521488709926182012-12-18T04:49:23.995-08:002012-12-18T04:49:23.995-08:00@lucarda
what do you mean power of the proc?
and ...@lucarda<br />what do you mean power of the proc?<br /><br />and yes, i do agree with your logic that changing the lead card would be best even with identical 2/3 and 4/5. at least the proc doesnt reach a 3rd one.<br /><br />out of topic:<br />how do you price a card with skill? for ssr/legend.<br />ex mimi skill 8, achilles skill 10<br /><br /><br />wahwahwawaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03007871629785394850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-41740320888210638172012-12-18T00:33:24.568-08:002012-12-18T00:33:24.568-08:00Thats a good point. So you reckon the basis of a h...Thats a good point. So you reckon the basis of a hr deck now has to have a sr as a leader i.e lance paladin paladin wing wing? And hekate nightmare night mare neko neko?carnagemagshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04433116269632291948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-5486013301969818582012-12-18T00:30:25.436-08:002012-12-18T00:30:25.436-08:00I'm not going into which realm is better etc e...I'm not going into which realm is better etc etc, but just pointing out the viabilty of gods cards possible to replace your deck compared to man/demon. <br /><br />My main problem is how high rankers with legend decks have a huge array of options but a player with 3 paladins or wraiths for a defense and can't afford/upgrading attack deck, is now screwed because there is no replacement card. If I swapped two massive boost to gods defense to great boost to gods def or massive hit to foes attk/boost to def all I wouldn't mind too much. But moving from a nightmare to a succubus or minotaur? That sucks. <br /><br />And sure for example man defense has master bard and master astrologist but the point of a def is to boost your own def because that is the best possible way to defend every attack. Specific hit to certain realms attk or def will just make me a ff hr player even worse compared to those high rankers. <br /><br />I can see the positives of this, many cards go unnoticed in rage with every player running a 5 clay, 5 apsara, 5 enkidu deck etc, and it will be nice to have some variety. Maybe Im just sour because I just built a second paladin before the announcement.carnagemagshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04433116269632291948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-51481006745533382292012-12-17T22:21:43.049-08:002012-12-17T22:21:43.049-08:00Yeah. That would still be solid assuming skill 10....Yeah. That would still be solid assuming skill 10. Everybody is forgetting that the chance to proc is now improved with skill level as well as power of the proc. <br /><br />Don't get me wrong, it depends partially on exact percentages but in 90% of cases I can think of, it makes the most sense to use a unique leader, two of the same in 2nd/3rd spot, and normal wings. Lucardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792067241643799536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-46139741825057827472012-12-17T21:56:39.711-08:002012-12-17T21:56:39.711-08:00so...a different leader card? 2 cm 2 wings? can th...so...a different leader card? 2 cm 2 wings? can the wings be the same? so i just replace the 1st cm with, lets say a mimi?<br /><br />same with my def?<br />different leader card(mimi), 2 lances,2 longs?wahwahwawaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03007871629785394850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-46471057949979156222012-12-17T21:44:38.357-08:002012-12-17T21:44:38.357-08:00If the %s are 20-30% I will compute most decks ass...If the %s are 20-30% I will compute most decks assuming 2 Procs total. This means you will have a lead card that is individualized, and cards like claymore will take spots 2 and three with the normal wings. The major difference will be just swapping out leader cards.Lucardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792067241643799536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-293124297777118922012-12-17T21:43:32.716-08:002012-12-17T21:43:32.716-08:00It's always been 3 skills can activate. Anybod...It's always been 3 skills can activate. Anybody who has said otherwise was mistaken and normally took the morale boost as another skill proc.Lucardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792067241643799536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-19485258624207457472012-12-17T21:42:22.805-08:002012-12-17T21:42:22.805-08:00I don't think popular cards will drop in price...I don't think popular cards will drop in price unless the % debuff is higher than 10%. For example, one of the better defense decks will be 1 Sleipner and 4 Apsara still. <br /><br />I see great cards in HR still holding their value, and SR increasing slightly in price because people will see a reason to move up to them.Lucardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792067241643799536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-80465489992691262762012-12-17T20:56:39.676-08:002012-12-17T20:56:39.676-08:00Don't forget now only 3 skills can activate......Don't forget now only 3 skills can activate... lmaoXigfriedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09020994740340198058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9121760049799283456.post-29187890393516306402012-12-17T20:20:35.045-08:002012-12-17T20:20:35.045-08:00the only complain that i have with this skill reva...the only complain that i have with this skill revamp is the time frame, 10 days to prepare? really? it took me months to build my deck and they give us 10 days :|<br /><br />anyway, just in case:<br />what if they do nerf the proc %'s to 20-30% per same name card proc'ing?<br /><br />whats a good replacement to my <br />3 cm sk10 <br />2 achi sk5<br /><br />===========<br />1 cm sk10<br />1 holy dragoon sk10<br />1 master archer sk10<br />1 achi sk5<br />1 griffon sk5<br />OR<br />1 cm sk10<br />1 achi sk?<br />1 griffon sk?<br />1 master alch sk?<br />1 6-10 yuki sk?<br />===========<br />how about tristan or mimi?<br /><br /><br />and my def:<br />1 lance sk8<br />2 lance sk4<br />2 long sk4<br /><br />==========<br />1 lance sk8<br />1 pal sk10<br />1 long sk4<br />1 6-10 capt<br />1 6-10 witchcrafter<br />==========<br />i probably can save for 1 mimi and jeane, may take months lol<br />wahwahwawaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03007871629785394850noreply@blogger.com