There is a specific best Attack/Defense decks for each alignment. These set ups are based on 4-6 Evolutions.
SR God Attack Deck:
Leader: Haniel - 20k attack - Great Boost to Gods Atk
Second: Cait Sith - 20.7k attack - Great Boost to Atk (all)
Third: Cait Sith - 20.7k attack - Great Boost to Atk (all)
Fourth: Thor - 21.4k attack - Great Hit to Gods Def
Fifth: Thor - 21.4k attack - Great Hit to Gods Def
Haniel in the lead spot supported by two Cait offer some pretty optimal boosts. Another viable option to this set up is to use Jabberwock in the lead spot followed by two Haniel. Both come out pretty close to each other since Jabberwock has a stronger buff, but it isn't effected by Haniels buff.
SR God Defense Deck:
Leader: Sleipnir - 18.9k Defense - Great Boost to Gods Def
Second: Sleipnir - 18.9k Defense - Great Boost to Gods Def (read below)
Third: Sleipnir - 18.9k Defense - Great Boost to Gods Def (read below)
Fourth: Sleipnir - 18.9k Defense - Great Boost to Gods Def (read below)
Fifth: Sleipnir - 18.9k Defense - Great Boost to Gods Def (read below)
Alright. So, lets be honest here. All that's really happening is Sleipnir, Apsara, Apsara, Xuanwu, Xuanwu. At least if you know what you're doing. God SR in general are just awful and you might as well stack five Sleipnir in hopes of getting the two proc if you're not going to do Sleipnir, Aps, Xuan.
**DISCLAIMER: As a poster below pointed out Andromeda is an SSR that can be used for both ATK and DEF. It has higher base stats and offers a 15% buff. I'm not sure about the pricing since it fluctuates so much, but if it's less than Haniel+Sleipnir it's worth buying.**
Just out of interest could you post an approximate cost in HP for each of the decks you recommend. And once again thank you for the guide.
ReplyDeleteI'd rather not get into estimating HP costs, they fluctuate so much it's absurd and as soon as I post prices on things they either rise dramatically or drop dramatically making me look like more of an ass than I already am.
DeleteThat's a very true answer. But in regards to the god HR deck I just notices that trow elf seems like a great card to go for. Even though it's a daemon card. With a 19k attack and a big boost to gods attack. Would 5 of those be the best deck. Or maybe 3 and 2 princi. I can't work out the boost for realm differences.
ReplyDeleteFor a God Deck Trow loses. I know there seems to be this thought processing out there where people see 19k and all of a sudden start loving it.
DeleteHere's the math:
3 Ifrit 2 Princi: 113.9k
1 Trow, 2 Ifrit, 2 Princi: 111.3k
2 Trow, 1 Ifrit, 2 Princi: 108.7k
3 Trow, 2 Princi: 106k
The gaps in power also increase significantly as the skill level of the cards increases. If those were all skill 10 the Trow is significantly worse.
Hate to say it but the only usefulness of that card is as a demon wing card.
What stats are the cards used and how many boosts triggered?
ReplyDeleteI use a 6-10 Evo example, but the results would be the same if all were 4-6 Evo since it's the same % decrease in power.
DeleteTop three trigger. The results actually stay the same with two trigger, he only ties with 2 13% buffs at 100k each.
The only case where Trow wins is if only 1 procs. Also, Trow will lose more often as cards skill level increases. Lets say that all cards are level 5 skill level and you have 1 Trow. Only two go off for 108k. With no Trow, 110k. Three proc the gap widens.
It really just isn't a viable card for a god deck.
For an attack deck, is the Ifrit-Hermes combo significantly better than 5 Valks? The bump is a bit bigger and the cards are cheaper to make but the base isn't as big for the Valks. Thanks
ReplyDeleteHilds, 70k base: 107k final if three proc. Two proc: 92k. With five Hilds your base stats are just too low to really take advantage of the proc. If you place them instead of Ifrit though with Hermes wings they are very viable.
DeleteIf I'm not mistaken it beats Three Ifrit and two hermes just slightly.
I just prefer not to use referral cards in any of my set ups because of limited nature of them.
Can we get this blog updated?
ReplyDeleteIs there a specific portion? I'm pretty sure the SR God Decks are still accurate. If there is something that needs updating let me know and I can look into it.
DeleteIf you're referring to the fact I didn't post for about a week you may notice one of the games I play is World of Warcraft and Mists of Pandaria released last Tuesday.
Nah just wondering what the EXACT best God realm deck would be, including sr, hr and even valks. currently looking to build the perfect one up to sr as i have the hp to do it. Also I was wondering if any7 of the new cards that came out since this blog was posted would come into play such as Sephirot. Just wondering and appreciate the site and the advice. Thanks in advance.
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DeleteAlso another cool blog you could post is best HW decks for each realm with the r/hr and sr decks. one for walls and other for the points/battles. That would be awesome. Yours is the first rage site mentioning possible best realm decks so MAJOR KUDOS!!
ReplyDeleteYo, so can I get some help with a Best God deck Alucard?
ReplyDeleteBest offensive deck possible is 5 Batraz. Best defense possible atm is 5 Medusa if I'm not mistaken.
DeletePurely gods is 5 Enkudo for offense, 5 Raphellia for defense.
Are Qilins not better than Raphellia's?
DeleteYes he is the best choice. He was completely missing from the list I was looking at.
DeleteHe's better on stats and buff front. I believe medusa is still top of the charts on defense. Quilin and Arthur are about equal.
and how about only SR, Hr and invite cards, no ssr? for gods..
ReplyDeleteUsing HR/SR I would say to use 5 Apsara Defense. Offensively I'd say Run 3 Ifrit and 2 hermes. Running 5 Sephirot is also a good option. I just hate the fact that Sephirots debuff is only 10% but with 19k attack you could run five of her and that would be pretty powerful.
DeleteWould Sword Valkyrie be a good option?
ReplyDeleteSword Valk(8% boost to all ATK), Qinglong(25% boost to self ATK/DEF), and Ifrit(13% boost to God ATK) are all good HR options for God ATK deck.
DeleteKen, I did math and 4 Shenlong and 1 Valk Hild is a great combo. if you can afford that is.. of my list I uncluded Hermes, Valk Hilds, Shenlong(because it is cheap enough), Sephirot, Ifrit, and Fairy Princess. Valk Hild gives the best single boost(Make middle card in deck) and the top two options for me was Shenlong or Sephirot but I chose Shenlong because it is on average only a little bit more expensive and can also be useful in your defense deck. Hope this helps!
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ReplyDeleteWhat do you think about 3x Ifrit with 2x Thors as wings?
ReplyDeleteI should also add Fox spirit in to the equation since it goes for a similar price as Thor.
DeleteCan't argue with it. As you start to move up there is a lot of versatility in decks especially as more new SR/SSR cards are released.
DeleteIs ifrit really better than a valk hild? Seems like the Macy stats are 15k vs 14k but ifrit is big boost and hold is great boost, more than making up for the 1k stats difference.
ReplyDeleteOops Typos: Is ifrit really better than a valk hild? Seems like the stats are 15k vs 14k but ifrit is big boost and hild is great boost, more than making up for the 1k stats difference.
DeleteI don't use referral cards as part of my decks because of the limited availability.
DeleteI will also note that Valk hild is absurdly expensive to skill up normally causing Ifrit to overtake it.
Is Sephirot not better than Hermes on the wing? I'd think that as defenses increase it would outweigh the value of the fixed self buff even considering it magnified by other offensive buffs.
ReplyDeleteThere's a fair chance. I try not to update my best decks constantly though.
DeleteI am more aware of Man/Demon realms though since I play those so I noticed changes and new cards sooner.
I am in GOD realm. Currently lvl 45 using Rheax3, Veyux2 for defense per your suggestion ( only one is FF, still working on the others). I got lucky and pulled a Batraz. Any suggestions on what I should do?
ReplyDeleteSell him. If he's going for 600-800HP still that'd allow you to purchase a powerful attack/defense deck with HP to spare. Doing so would allow you to get into a higher order which will net more HP in the long run.
DeleteAt your current power level Batraz does you no good and he will be going lower in price before he goes higher.
Thanks for the advice. Do you suggest I abandon the Rhea/Vayu and go for Aspara or keep them and start working on an ATK deck?
DeleteIts tough to say. Honestly at lvl 45 you could go either way. During HW your uses will till be limited since you won't be able to attack a lot though so in this scenario I think I'd go defense. That would encourage a higher order to take you despite your inability to a high amount of points.
DeleteIts tough to say though since I heavily favor offense.
I am level... 80? and am currently using valk hild, thor, fox spirit, quinlong, and principality. I am painfully aware that valk hild needs to go... should I get a cheap boost card like michael or go for another decent wing like gilgamesh?
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ReplyDeleteAnother deck question for you, I am in a low but up and coming order and I just became the attack leader so I need some help on the direction to go with my deck.
Currently I am running:
Atk:
Infrit 4-6 level 8
Infrit 6-10 level 6
Infrit 5-8 level 5
Prince 6-6
ElderH 4-6
Base: 79245
Def:
Rhea 4-6 level 7 (I know I need to upgrade)
Mystic Fairy 4-6 level 3
Ilmatar 4-6 level 2
Ilmatar 4-6 level 2
Lovely Elf 4-6 level 2
Base: 76414
I currently have 360 hp to work with so should I buy a Hermes so I can have it for both ATK and DEF (to buy 4 would be 160HP) or should I buy an Apsara and an Ancient Fairy (buy four of each 188HP?
Thanks again for all the help.
I don't see hermes offering that big of a boost vs what the apsara/ancient fairy would offer.
DeleteRemember, one of the worst spots to be in as an attack leader is be easily farmed because you will normally give max points since you'll be using HP, and you give the multiplier for being attack leader.
I had myself removed from attack leader because although my offense was solid I was being farmed.
OK, that is kind of the way I was leaning but I wanted to make sure.
DeleteOne last question, I know you have brought this up on your blog about 4 carding everything but with the Aspara do you think it is worth 5 or 6 carding since it will probably be a card I will hold onto for a while?
Up to you. Prices are so fubar right now I don't know what to think.
DeleteYeah, it is so hard to predict the market right now. I think that prices are going up for a while because they just released 500,000HP out into the market from the last event. I am sure a week into the Crystal event they are going to come back down.
ReplyDeleteHey Lucarda, I need some help with my deck.
ReplyDeleteATK:
6-10 Trow Elf skill 6
6-10 Sword Valkyrie skill 5
6-10 Qinglong skill 2
6-10 Qinglong skill 1
6-10 Qinglong skill 1
Base: 87804
Def:
6-10 Mystic Fairy skill 3
6-10 Rusalie skill 3
6-10 Rusalie skill 2
6-10 Lovely Elf skill 2
6-10 Qinglong skill 2
Base: 84302
With my ATK deck, if all three proc I hit 124k. I have 161 HP to work with. Can you guide me a little bit here. I'm not really participating in this event, I'm using my personal HP to try to gain top 1000 for a week or so.
My advice would be to try to use your current HP on the market to make extra HP. You'll want the HP for HW.
DeleteAfter Holy War since you are god realm and honestly your offense is fine by most counts, I would recommend working on defense. Start gathering those Apsaras. I know their pricy, but they're worth it.
Thanks for the advice! I was thinking about getting Hermes myself, but I see where you're coming from. I'll let you know how I go. Great blog by the way. Really informative.
DeleteHey lucarda, my friend wants to upgrade his deck his attack is
ReplyDeleteSword Val x4 1 Trow elf (he likes the elf) his def is all apsaras were does he go from here
Where does he go from here ? Also hes got a Sleipnir should he upgrade his def or ?
Sleipner will be pretty boss going forward like Lancelot. If he wants to increase his deck offensively Haniel would be the way to go for starters.
DeleteMy whole deck is garbage for being lvl 78ish. Spent almost 50 bucks on coins only to pull rares and maybe a couple hr's. Here's my question, sell everything and start from scratch or work with what I got? I'm God realm too
ReplyDeleteAlways work with what you got. A solid rare deck isn't horrible. It only takes a couple HR to have solid increases to the deck.
DeleteStarting from scratch is a lot harder than getting rid of a card here or there.
Maybe there is a delay on posts, if so I apologize. Here is my dilemma. As of right now I have 550HP and I am torn with all these decisions. Here is my current deck.
DeleteOffense:
6-10 Ifrit sk10
6-10 Ifrit sk10
6-10 Ifrit sk10
6-10 principality sk4
6-10 principality sk4
Defense:
6-10 shield angel sk4
6-10 shield angel sk4
6-10 Cybele sk4
6-10 principality sk4
6-10 principality sk4
What would you upgrade. 2 Hermes for off and def? 2 apsaras for defense? Thors, michaels, cait siths???!?!?!? I'm so torn and don't have any direction. Just give me an answer please =D
Anyone have any suggestions on they would purchase next?
DeleteOffensively your next options would be to grab Thors for wings. You also have the option to go andromeda for attack and defense boosts.
DeleteReally though I would recommend you start working on Apsara's. She is such a damn good card that's it's tough for me not to recommend her 100% of the time.
Thanks for your advice. Last question is would you on for 6-10 or 4-7 ? Market average is 30HP per card.
Delete4-7. I used to heavily endorse 6-10s since before bazaar they held their value a lot better. Now days people look purely at stats and don't know the evo's so 4-7's the way to go. Slightly lower stats, a lot lower price.
DeleteI forgot to also add fox spirits into my decisions as well!!
ReplyDeleteOh no I see you have updated the sheet and thru more options into the mix. :P Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
ReplyDeleteJust to comment a little, Lucarda...
ReplyDeleteI think overall Asparas x5 are still better then 5x Slepnir... the difference is 6k+ in base defense, and abt 6% boost better then Asparas.... but the HP spent on it is about a few hundreds more... unless Skill Boosting for SR is around 2% per level, or else its not really worth i think.. if Skill Boosting is 1% in any of the rarity of the cards, then, Asparas skill 10 = 22% and Slepnir will b only 24% in skill 10... if skill boost for SR cards is around 1.5 or 2% each lvl, then probably slepnir is a good investment with abt 15+18 = 33% boost at skill 10 which will b 11% more then asparas... in max 3 boost its alot more.. coz from the skill graph i read about it said the skill boost for different rarity of the cards are different, so i cant really verify.. just my assumption to increase 1% no matter what rarity of the cards it is.. can you verify this, lucarda?
Sk 10 Slepnir will have a boost of 25% vs Apsara's 23%. Plus, his stats are higher. Is he better? Yes. Is he worth the extra cost (purchase and levelling)? Probably not.
DeleteYeah, I note in my message that I don't really find it a big enough boost to jump all over.
DeleteThe boost is 1% per level no matter the rarity but the last level goes up 2% instead of the 1%. So SK10 is always 10% higher than the base.
Although Haniel and Sleipnir are the best in SR range, don't go for it.
ReplyDeleteThere is a better card in SSR, Andromeda, which can be used for both ATK and DEF.
1 Andromeda is cheaper and better than 1 Hanel + 1 Sleipnir.
Hm. I should probably put a disclaimer in there to remind people. I'm going to do that now before I forget.
DeleteNever thought of it like that, but even the enhance costs are basically equal.
ReplyDeleteProbably should include the Crystal Dragon in the disclaimer too.
Also, I'm a god player so I can understand the premium for Sleipnir, but don't quite understand why Cassio is 15-20 more HP than Apsara. Is Cassio a viable center option for Demon's currently?
Cassio...is just a silly card. Sometimes certain cards hit certain prices and it doesn't make sense at all.
DeleteBah, if people don't figure out Crystal Dragon is an option as well at that level, they're being silly.
lol...true...this game mystifies me sometimes (the Cassio I was using for the event sold instantly @ 48 today while the Sleipnir @ 80 sits there).
ReplyDeleteLucarda, you should probably note somewhere there is at least a little value in the big boost to boss skill for the Sleipnir since presumably if you ran it as your center card it would be skill 10. Probably worth 50 HP in value if you care about these events (I guess the caveat is, if you're really going for position in boss event's you'll buy the event specific card anyway, but for the "casual" user it's a relatively easy way to get in the top 10000 tier).
Also judging by the number of bad evolve Apsara's on the bazaar now, it's pretty obvious there's a number of people upgrading presumably to the Cassio since they are selling quicker on the bazaar.
With Sleipnir at 75 HP, in the whole Andro/CD vs Sleipnir + Haniel comparison, I think its the Haniel that's overpriced especially since they're still being made. (though it wants to break 200 so it may be coming down in price soon).
So what would the set up be for both decks if someone was to use andromeda ?
ReplyDelete5 Andromeda on attack and 5 Andromeda on defense. :P
DeleteOk so now what would u recommend keeping in mind all the HP you'll save and there is 1 more upgrade 5 andromeda for both decks at 295 each or 3 andromedas and 2 Thor for attack (Thor are about 80 each) and 3 andromedas and 2 apsaras for def ?
ReplyDeleteKeeping prices low there's not a huge reason to get more than three. By the time you gather five there will be some new card out that makes you facepalm :P
DeleteWas wondering what deck would be better and an estimate of how much it would hit.
ReplyDeleteIfrit 6-10evo skill 5
Titan 6-10evo skill 3
Valk hild 4-6evo skill 3
Elaine 6-10evo skill 5
Princi 6-10evo skill 6
74k base
Vs.
Elaine 6-10evo skill 5
Qinglong 6-10evo skill 6
Valk hild 4-6evo skill 3
Qinglong 6-10evo skill 6
Princi 6-10evo skill 6
75k base
For the second deck if it would help the atk I can replace Elaine with qinglong as well.
Deck 1 will hit significantly harder but you want to use Valk, Ifrit, Elaine, Titan, Princi as the order.
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