This will be a shorter post with less explanation than most of my
others. I'm assuming if you're reading this post that you have read most
of my 'Best R/HR/SR Deck' posts.
This post takes into account current Bazaar pricing on cards and the
power level you get for the deck. The decks I'm using are somewhat
gimmicky but I'll explain how I selected these decks. These are assuming
4max evolutions.
Best 'Cheap' HR Deck: God-Attack
1st Card: Mayahuel - 15.2k Attack - Big Hit to Defense (all)
2nd Card: Mayahuel - 15.2k Attack - Big Hit to Defense (all)
3rd Card: Mayahuel - 15.2k Attack - Big Hit to Defense (all)
4th Card: Elder Homunculus - 16.7k Attack - Small Boost to Damage to the Boss
5th Card: Elder Homunculus 16.7k Attack - Small Boost to Damage to the Boss
There are a couple alternatives depending on HOW cheap it really needs to be. This deck offers 24% worth of debuffs to the opponent but useless wings. I've seen Elder Homunculus go for as little as 5HP each since the end of Puppet Master. A better quality alternative that averages 8-12HP each is Qinglong in the last two spots. This way when the fourth card procs you're not left with something useless. Finally you can pop in a principality but I'm trying to use cards that are under 12HP each for these decks and the lowest I tend to see it is 15HP on average.
This deck hits 79k attack and offers up to 24% debuff, not bad for the price.
Rough Cost of the Attack Deck: 200HP
Best 'Cheap' HR Deck: God-Defense
1st Card: Cybele - 15.2k Defense - Big Boost to Defense (all)
2nd Card: Cybele - 15.2k Defense - Big Boost to Defense (all)
3rd Card: Cybele - 15.2k Defense - Big Boost to Defense (all)
4th Card: Ilmatar - 16.7k Defense - Big Hit to Gods Attack
5th Card: Ilmatar - 16.7k Defense - Big Hit to Gods Attack
There are a couple different ways to work this deck as well. Shield angel could be placed in the top three spots for a bit of an up charge. Qinglong can also be used in the last two spots but would drop quite a bit in stats if you do so.
This deck hits 79k attack and offers up to 24% buff, not bad for the price.
Rough cost of the Defense Deck: 200HP
A NOTE ON QINGLONG: He drops about 800 damage offense but his proc balances him out offensively. Defensively you lose 3k but you save about 50HP and the loss is lower if Qinglong procs.
Overall these attack and defense options cost under 400HP, under 350HP if Qinglong is used, and provide some solid bang for the buck.
Hi there Lucarda,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the awesome blog. Went on the bazaar to find out how cheap Maya is...she used to be 30ish hp before the bazaar. Quite shocking.
Have an opinion on the gods deck. Wouldn't Valk Hilds be a good choice? Since they offer a great boost to gods atk, but a 4-0 only goes about 35 hp each on the bazaar.
Hope this helps.
Didn't realize that Valks were that cheap and so abundant. It's a very viable option.
Deletebtw princi is now 10-13hp each, so that could be a nice option too i guess.
DeleteYeah I mentioned Princi as an option in the attack deck. The reason I avoided it is because the only ones I saw at AH yesterday were 15HP+
DeleteHi Lucarda,
ReplyDeleteJust found your blog yesterday and it has been great to read it. I'm in Gods Realm and a friend of mine has been trying to sell me an Lepo-Archangel Angel Bunny 10136-10224 Skil 4 and so I would like to ask you how much is it worth and if it's a good addition to a gods deck that's is trying to climb from rares to high rare cards.
By the way what is your opinion on this event so far. Is it worth to spend like 50/60 CW?
Thanks in advance!
If he's trying to sell it to you for 50CW he's not much of a friend.
DeleteI wouldn't pay more than 10HP or 20CW for that card.
Honestly though, I wouldn't even buy it. To me it's worth 0 since it's just not a good card.
DeleteHi, has anyone an idea how i can find out which evo a ++ Card has? I saw an apsara++ with 14104 def and i want to know how its evo is...
ReplyDeleteI can tell you that I don't know a resource for that information.
DeleteThere is a resource for that information. Check here:
Deletehttp://www.ragetradinghub.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=1530
If you scroll to the bottom, you'll notice a "++ form" list that will tell you what you need to know.
So I saw you mention in another post you are now recommending 4max when factoring in resale, which leaves me with a question. I just recently completed a 6-10 Apsara and have worked up to an Apsara++ for the next one. Would you recommend 4max or 6max for the remaining 4? Does it warrant 6max since they last until SSR? I should also mention I am the Def Leader for my Order, although we haven't yet broken top 1k in a HW.
ReplyDeleteApsara and Claymore maids are a bit of an oddity. They are S Rare class cards in HR.
DeleteI'd say its up to the user, they tend to sell whether they're 6max or 4max.
My 4max is more toward normal HR like Archdemon or Ifrit.
I read a lot about lupin being pretty bad for stats, I just 6/10 one and the stats r pretty good it has over 16k attack with the boost to all attack just wondering luc do u think this is a bad stat for a free hr
ReplyDeleteThe stats are bad for SR. It's not an awful card, it's just that there are several HR that are better than it.
DeleteI personally value them at about 12HP and they are selling for 20HP.
I think the bad part is that it's a SR card with a HR-skill boost. And because it is a SR-card, it is more difficult to boost its skilllevel.
ReplyDeleteBut you are correct, it has an ok attack-stat and also requires less atk-power for each attack. So for a free card it is ok.
Good enough to be in a cheap man atk-deck as wing.
Hi Lucarda,
ReplyDeleteIn your post it states that you can have up to a 30% debuff, I was looking at the skill chart and it says it only gives 8% debuff to all (for each card, total of 24%) am I not reading that right?
Whoops. Was in the great column when I was doing my math from the looks of it. Corrected.
DeleteNew cards are a pain :-) I think Ninetails have a place as wing, both in the cheap and expensive god defence deck.
ReplyDeleteHi there, I'm also building a god desk, and your info is very helpful.I just wonder what do you think about trow elf? It is a demon card but has 19k att and big boost to God. Is it good to have 1 trow 2 mayahuel as main cards?
ReplyDeleteIf you're going to support with Mayas trow is a good option. If you use buff cards like Ifrit in spots 2 and 3 Trow isn't a good option because it doesn't receive the buff.
DeleteHi, I'm sincerely hoping that you mind me asking if you spread the word on something, as you have a such a great reader base. If you don't, I understand, but I figure that someone needs to say something and you're the first person that I thought of.
ReplyDeleteApparently, now on top of the fact that you have to spend limited bazaar tickets in order to sell and buy on the bazaar, you might just be wasting them. According to their "About the Bazaar Display" part of the FAQ, "part of the Bazaar Search Results display is currently restricted as a measure to prevent improper usage. This restriction varies depending on the user and is changed irregularly. As a result, the cards or items you put up 'for sale' may not be displayed in search results." They then go on to basically say not to bother emailing them to complain about it: "We cannot answer inquiries about the details of this restriction which prevents improper usage nor inquiries about the exact timing in which the restriction changes."
So, basically, the people you're trying to trade with (the people that you can't trade with only because they added that asinine two weeks rule) might not even be able to see the trade you have offered because Mobage has decided that this will prevent "improper usage".
My sales can't be seen by any of my fellows or order members even though I haven't done anything wrong to make them feel the need to block my sales. And, apparently, this an happen to anyone, at any time, with no warning whatsoever.
I'm encouraging everyone I know to send an email to Mobage letting them know that this is a completely unacceptable way to treat their customers. I have done this myself and figure if enough people send emails in then they will have to change their asinine way of doing things.
Even if you decide not to post this on your blog and let other people know about it, thank you for taking the time to read it yourself.
Yeah, I've been aware of this since a day after implementation of the bazaar since I was planning on using the method to payout some prizes for a contest I ran.
DeleteUnfortunately if all the posts opposed to the two week trading wait didn't change their mind, I don't see them changing it on this topic as well.
The truth is free trade is damaging to their sales so they are trying to keep it from happening without actually keeping it from happening. If they allow free trade to occur or this auction house exchange to occur, it will bring back peoples ability to gain cards/hp without spending money.
Currently only people who went into this with decent HP stores are able to quickly generate it.
The bazaar system is just awful. If you've played Deity war, u would know that Mobage is capable of making a much better system, it's just that they don't want to.
DeleteIn Deity war, you also have 10 tickets per day, every card costs only 1 ticket so u can make exactly 10 transactions. Also, you can put your cards on the market as specify - seller set the price and buyer accept or Negotiate - buyer will post the price and wait for seller to accept. The system is much better, but I do not like the artstyle and events, therefore I stick with Rage and their awful system :(
Yeah, I tried Diety wars and I know what you are talking about.
DeleteIt's further evidence that they put those limitations on rage for money more than anything.
What about the Nymph as an option? Since it will be used in both attack and defense deck it could be one of the "cheapest" HR god cards. they cost anywhere from 9-12 HP and you will only need 5 cards to create full attack & defense deck. A final build of 6-2 will cost 270-360 HP which is well below the 400 total estimate to create your recommended "cheap" attack and defense decks.
ReplyDeleteI was waiting for somebody to bring this up. I don't enter it because it's a glorified rare in my opinion. The stats are just too low. I could get pure attack rares and pure defense rares that do almost as well as it.
Deleteis it better to use mystic fairy instead of cybele now? They are available for the price of 7hw on bazaar now.
ReplyDeleteFairy will be solid until they run out. They have I think 500-600 more defense points.
Deletetq lucarda for the helpful post.
ReplyDeletei just purchased 1 ff ifrit (4-7) for 99hp. i hope it's a resonable price.
so my current deck consist of 1 ff ifrit and 4 ff agni. usually hits around 80k due to skill boost. i don't think i can afford more card like ff ifrit anymore in the future. im planning to change all my agni to hr/sr deck slowly.
so my question is, although my base atk will definitely go higher, does my deck should be able to deal more damage if i switch my agni(s) to 2 Mayas and 2 elder homs? do you have any other suggestion?
tq for your advise.
Any thoughts on the new God referral card? Is it worth it?
ReplyDeleteShe's awful. I don't know why anybody would buy her.
DeleteHi Lucarda,
ReplyDeleteJust looking for some advice on where to go abouts improving my deck from where I'm at right now. I've spent most of my efforts building my GF's deck since she's been more interested than I am in RoB and your advice in the past has been really insightful, here's what I'm running right now:
Atk:
4.7 Valk Hild
4.7 Ifrit
4.7 Elaine
4.7 Titan
4.7 Zhuque
Def:
4.7 Shield Angel
4.7 Cybele
4.7 Shield Angel
4.7 Lovely Elf
4.7 Illmatar
So I have a few decisions to make on where I want to go, I know I want to replace my Elaine eventually, but I'm not sure if I want to grab another Ifrit, look at leveling an Aqua, or picking up a maya for that slot. I could afford a Sword Valk, but it'd pretty much limit my ability to improve my deck in any other way.
I also have a base Rusalie and a base Ninetails, both of these when evolved would have better def than my illmatar and lovely elf, but would it be worth the upgrade costs of buying 3 more of each for a small upgrade to base defense rating? For that matter, should I just dump the Rusalie and try to grab another Ninetails instead?
Thanks in advance for the insight!
I would say your offense deck is fine for god realm atm. I doubt you run across a lot of enemies who's defense can stop that.
DeleteAqua is crap, don't waste your time with her.
I would either A) Get the sword valk and sell the elaine.
B) Star grabbing Apsara's for defense.
Moving up in HR without aiming for the best is a bit counterproductive given your current stats. I'd gather them slowly and save HP for HW.
Hey Lucarda,
ReplyDeleteI've been working on building my HR def. deck and I grabbed a some Shield Angels and Mystic Fairies since they were cheap. You've said that you recommend building 6-10's but in this thread listed builds with 4-6's. Would you still recommend building those cards as 6-10's if budget wasn't a particular concern, or do you feel that it's not particularly worth it for cards that aren't Aspara caliber?
Also, how do you feel about Xuanwu? Good alternative or just shoot for Asparas?
Thanks in advance, I wouldn't be nearly as successful if I hadn't found this blog.
6-10s have gone the way of the dodo with the way Bazaar is set up. It takes forever to move them because people skip them over since the bazaar is based off stats instead of evo.
DeleteI still think there is a place for 6-10s, pretty much only Apsara quality cards, because there's always a strong market for those.
Apsara is still better than Xuanwu because the 3% buff means more than the extra stats. Honestly I didn't realize Xuanwu had been released yet.
Thanks, that's kind of unfortunate but I see what you mean. Before I spend way more hp than I should do you consider Sword Valks to be around Aspara quality, or do you only really look at cards that have the buffs to specific alignments?
DeleteSword Valk is solid. The stats are high enough to offset the debuff loss. Apsara is still in a league of its own though.
DeleteHi lucarda.. wonder if you can provide some advice on my HR decks.
ReplyDeleteNot sure if i should cont to work on Def or attack. I'm currently attk leader, but been working on my def deck lately cos it was crap.
Current decks -
Atk:
Valk hilds 14+k atk sk4
Valk hilds
Valk hilds
Maya 4-7
Princi 4-7
(the other 2 valk were cheap ones with 12.5k sk2 and 3)
73k base, can go to 122k if all valk hilds prop
Def:
Aspara 4.7 sk9
Aspara 4.7 sk5
Princi 4.7
Maya 4.7
Ares ?evo
78k base
I only have 130hp atm. was hoping to score a hetake to grab another Aspara but failed. Should i cont to work on def or boost atk more.. kinda undecided atm. or should i just save HP for HW.
Thanks!
If you're attack leader save it for HW.
DeleteAfterward there are two trains of thought. Do you have issues defeating enemies for points? If yes, work on offense since that's your job.
If no, work on defense to discourage your enemies from point farming you as you accumulate points from burning HP and attacking.
thx for the quick reply and advice!
DeleteI'l probably get another aspara depending on how i do in the next HW. Any advice on which atk card to get next? Thought of swapping valk hilds to sword valks, but fear it may not make a big difference overall after accounting for card skills. Should i go for SR instead? Is Cait sith good?
I'd probably replace maya with Sword Valk first.
DeleteCait is an acceptable SR. 20k attack and buff to all attack. I'd start him out in spot 3 though just to make sure the top buffs go off.
hey Lucarda i was thinking of adding princi in my deck but would that be a great drop in stats than the elder homun? my planned decks are set according to your "cheap" deck
ReplyDeleteatk deck valk hild maya maya qinglong X (princi or elder)
def deck shield angel mystic fairy cybele qinglong ilmatar
could you comment a bit on my decks?
Princi would be a drop. The reason I recommend Princi is because of the utility he brings during Holy Wars and he's not an awful base damage.
DeleteHe's a card people should have for holy wars if they participate a lot, and because of that I recommend him rather than recommending to purchase him and have him sit on the bench until holy wars.
thanks a lot! i think i shud grab the homun first then and try to score a princi later if homuns cheap enough. i think i saw some selling at 2 hp each earlier but the prices gone up to about 5 these days.
ReplyDeleteI have 2, 4-0 valks a 4-0 ifrit and a 6-11 princi and 6-11 gold fox. I have 30 hp to spend and a lot of cards to sell. 1 base arch daemon max lvl. An Odysseus, captain, dark angel Olivia, golum master to sell with 10 angel queens laying around. Can you recommend what I should do with my deck. Defrosted is awful atm have 2 ilmatars I'm lvling atm. Thanks for any advice
ReplyDeleteJames
Liquidate all the cards you're not using first. Afterward aim for Ifrits. They are cheap and very effective. The problem with your 4-0 Evo's is their stats are REALLY low.
DeleteThose 4-0s need to be liquidated and swapped for 4max evos. If you don't want to liquidate aim for some of the cheaper god defensive cards. I think there are a couple cheap ones with high stats that have defense boosts to all.
Hey lucarda, I have a 6-7 Valk Hild sk 3, 4-7 ifrit sk 4, 6-11 maya sk 6, 5-3 maya sk 6 and a 4-7 quinlong sk 3 in my atk deck. Where do you suggest I go from here? Valk Hild has a really difficult skill to enhance, and I just got the ifrit so I plan on upping it soon. Should I start saving for some s rare cards or upgrade any of those first? My def also sucks, a 6-7 shield angel, 2 rheas, my quinlong and one of my mayas at the end.. I need to upgrade them as well obviously. Thanks for any suggestions!
ReplyDeleteKind of tough. Realistically I would say move into your defense first, only because Haniel is really damn expensive.
DeleteThanks that's what I'm doing. I purchased a 4-7 cybele for 25hp on the bazaar today, they are crazy cheap
Deletewas thinking abt pan being better than ifrit. i plan to liquidate my deck of valk hild crystalia qinglong princi mystic fairy into trow pan pan pan ancient fairy. i mite need to liquidate my jormungand to compensate. but will it be better if i slip an ifrit in slot 2 or 1? coz i'm now stuck with 3 base ifrits. could.sell them tho. dun worry abt def i can hold ppl off for now
ReplyDeleteSeems like a solid deck. I don't see an issue with it.
Deleteyeah i can hit over 100k but i'm an atk leader so i hv to push my atk to 130k at least. willit be better if i slip a ifrit in 2nd slot or a crystalia in 4th slot instead of a pan?
Deletebut will it be better if i place a sword valk or a crystalia in slot 4?
ReplyDeleteYeah, dont run 3x pan, the chance of skill proc will be lower. I would recommend keeping one sword valk, and going:
ReplyDeleteTrow
Pan
Svalk
Crystalia
Ancient fairy
No ifrit, they dont work well with Trow. If you want to run an ifrit then do that instead of the Trow. Also, for about half the price of a Crystalia Lily you can get a White rabbit instead with same skill but about 150 less attack if you wanna save some hp.
is using Trow, Pan, Pan, Chiron Princi a viable option?
ReplyDeleteThanks James
Yes, it's very viable. I recommend getting rid of teh Princi first chance though.
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